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GASH333 · Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 3

Where are all the Hot Rods? I bet there is a few cars scattered around the North East not seen the light of day for a while. Would be good racing if they all turned up at the same meeting

Ricky Bobby · Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 12

I think one of the reasons is cost, unless you keep up with whats out there your gona end up pxxsing in the wind. Plus it's holiday time maybe ???

YSam311 · Joined: 05 Aug 2009 Posts: 3

I would be interested to hear from the hot rod owners past and present as to whether their non attendance is only down to cost, as Ricky says, or if there are any other reasons behind it.

It is a shame to see what was once a well represented formula down into single figures.

djstevo · Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1 Location: Glasgow

I hate to say I told you so but when the drivers campaigned to get 16 valve engines etc into the formula, I expressed my doubts as to whether it would be a success. The same thing happened in the 90's down at Cowdenbeath when the cars ran national spec. They changed to 2 litre spec and the fields increased again dramatically as the costs came down. Things have gone full circle. I love Hot Rods but if the turnout is continually going to be 4/5 cars then the time has come to see them dropped at some meetings as they are not entertaining. Perhaps the time has come to change the rules again and run full National spec and try to get Scotland its own World qualifying series for the 2011 World final.

The Madman

martwisely · Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Fraserburgh

i think in my own personal opinion its costs for some peopleas mentioned already in this topic.

ie unnecessary damages and that. i know rubbings racing but sometimes people can go a bit too far, hence why i think numbers are dropping.
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Ricky Bobby · Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 12

Does anyone know if we will Ian Anderson out this year ?? (Roy Anderson F2 36 Dad)

f2 636 · Joined: 23 Mar 2008 Posts: 1

WAITING FOR START OF 2010 NOW WILL GET TIME IN WINTER TO BUILD MY CAR
I DID HOPE TO GET OUT THIS YEAR BUT AFTER GETTING ROYS NEW CAR AND BUILDING IT THEN HE BLEW 3 ENGINES I HAVE BEEN TO BUSY TO GET MY CAR READY

THE GOOD NEWS
IT LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER NEW HOTROD DRIVER WILL BE OUT AS WELL NEXT YEAR BUT HE ALREADY HAS HOTROD EXPERIANCE

IAN

chewy102 · Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 19

[quote:37f08f69ae="f2 636"]WAITING FOR START OF 2010 NOW WILL GET TIME IN WINTER TO BUILD MY CAR
I DID HOPE TO GET OUT THIS YEAR BUT AFTER GETTING ROYS NEW CAR AND BUILDING IT THEN HE BLEW 3 ENGINES I HAVE BEEN TO BUSY TO GET MY CAR READY

THE GOOD NEWS
IT LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER NEW HOTROD DRIVER WILL BE OUT AS WELL NEXT YEAR BUT HE ALREADY HAS HOTROD EXPERIANCE

IAN[/quote:37f08f69ae]

You'd have it done sooner if you'd stop playing with that laptop! Laughing

Ricky Bobby · Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 12

At's good Ian, so is this other person stay not far from you??

Jaspir · Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Potterton

There has been much debate about the lack of numbers in the Hot Rods both at Crimond and Cowdenbeath but the only suggestion being offered to reverse this demise is to convert to National Spec.

Now I may be way off the mark but I thought the downturn was because of cost and the uncompetitiveness of the 2 litre cars - How will Nationals address this issue?

As an alternative why don't we adopt the Rally and GT style of racing where they have seperate championships for each class running in the same race. This way the 'lower' performance cars can still race for a win and a championship even though they may be down the race order as far as cars crossing the finish line. Being the best in class is surely better than appearing to be an also ran which is about as much as 2 litre drivers currently can expect.

Would be interested in hearing views on this option and whether it is something worth bring to the AGM remembering that most of our 2 litre drivers will not be eligible to vote.
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hottoddy#44 · Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Posts: 16 Location: cyaak

so would that mean u finished the race in 6th place but u won ur class but u still wouldnt win a race ever think the hole idea is to try to win races think it would be much better to have 1 engine only and 1 that the working man can afford I for 1 mite have had a hotrod by now if the working man could afford them..........
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hottoddy#44 · Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Posts: 16 Location: cyaak

or even better steel bodied with a mass produced engine ie zetec????????
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weejock · Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:52 am Post subject:

that would be a complete turn around same as happened in the 1993 ish at racewall i raced a 2litre steel bodied hot rods. A few meeting before i started racing the hot rod i think there was 8 cars on track .
The meeting i turned out for the first time had about 24 cars.

so shows cost plays a big factor on how many cars appear on track.
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red top · Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 4

No no cant go back to to steel bodies, keep it the way it is. Why dont the Hot saloons go slicks then you will plenty of cars.

Jaspir · Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Potterton

The point here is that we have numerous cars lying in garages that could race given the correct incentive - is this not what we should be trying to get back on track rather than introducing new classes. However the current outlaw spec allows steel bodied cars to race (I think) but again no incentive to do so as the chances of winning would be extremely slim but a multiclass race format could perhaps make it an option.

The Hot Saloons are successful enough (without slicks) and although rule changes on engines etc may be justified they are a different class and discussions on them should remain separate from the Hot Rods and be made in the relevant thread.
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saloon66 · Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 1

Now i think you've hit on an idea, stick the hot saloons in with the hot rods, fantastic spectacle and would keep the drivers busy.

chewy102 · Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 19

[quote:ee1341b4a8="saloon66"]Now i think you've hit on an idea, stick the hot saloons in with the hot rods, fantastic spectacle and would keep the drivers busy.[/quote:ee1341b4a8]

Especially as the Hot Saloons and Hot Rods race opposite directions... Shocked

I could be persuaded not to take a loo break when the Rods are on if you do that!!! Laughing

hottoddy#44 · Joined: 17 Jun 2009 Posts: 16 Location: cyaak

why tamper with the hot saloons at all!!!!!!!!!! Confused

as far as i can see theres nothing wrong with the hot saloons the way they are and theres certainly no shortage of cars, even enough as split heats at times! Very Happy

think yer more needing to concentrate on what to do with the hot rods!!

and as for hot saloons and hot rods, i dont think the current hot rod drivers would be happy with all the damage they'd more than likely receive!!!

Razz

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YSam311 · Joined: 05 Aug 2009 Posts: 3

Folks

Unfortunately the number of Hot Rod Drivers contributing to this post is very small and while we welcome some of the comments from our racing colleagues the constuctive portion has come from Jim.

I dont think we will ever totally agree on any format but a combination of 2 litre cars and national/outlaw cars with the 2 litres being given back their stagger might tempt some of them back.

Your opinions are welcomed(apart from zetecs!!, after all we dont want to end up going slower than the Hot saloons!!)

Chic Laing

YULER343 · Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 8

put the hot rods in with hot saloons then call the class soft rods.

GASH333 · Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 3

Why was the 1/2 lap head start for the pinto cars, dropped anyway??

Gash

missracer41 · Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 16 Location: cyaak

cos the guys with the 16v didnt like not winning!! lol Smile

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Mal27 · Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 3

Don't know much about the hot rods, but I reckon it would be very interesting to see a fast pinto, i.e a burton pinto twin 50s etc, starting half a lap ahead or behind any of them.

That is until inevtiably it became banned for being too fast or whatever.

Dirtyharry · Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Posts: 23

don't think a fast pinto would be banned , more like its going to go bang .

Mal27 · Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 3

bang? hmmmmm....dont think so.

Pinto engines dominated the superstox for more than a decade, one of the Pintos major strengths was their reliability, also they possessed bags and bags of torque which was and still is absolutely crucial to success at Crimond.

Maybe you are not aware that during the late 80s and early 90s, there were numerous all steel pintos (burton, holbay etc) racing in the superstox, not a single one went bang thats unless you know different??? Confused

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Bill Barrack · Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 15

That is why they did not go bang, steel crank and con rods and they will rev for ever more.
If you want to go that road with a Pinto in the hot rods, it will be over Â£2000 just for the steel crank and rods, then there is the forged pistons, another Â£500-Â£600, plus you have to build the engine.

A basic 16v engine can be bought and most engine builders will sell you a kit for about Â£1500 and you have an engine with over 200bhp and last all season.

Pinto's keep going bang in the F2's because they are limited to standard parts, and most are reving to over 8000, just to get the power out of them !!
If i remember, all Pinto engined road cars that i have owned or driven had a red line that started at 6000.

Most Pinto's blow up's are down to the con rods breaking in half, just above the big end bearing. Steel con rods were spoken about, but then they would just keep reving higher until the crank's would start to break.

Bill Barrack.

Dirtyharry · Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Posts: 23

[quote:="Mal27"]bang? hmmmmm....dont think so. :[/quote:]

Don't know about dominate , , the mazda RX3 was just as fast in standard tune ( i'm sure Mr Panton had one), same for rover v8's and hsr chevette engines, main difference is that the pinto had lots of expensive after market parts to chose from , and without them they go bang.

Any hooo don't think pintos are going to save the hotrods, let them run chevy 350's , will sound great and reliable 300+hp for less than a pinto/xe build.

Jaspir · Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Potterton

I maybe out on a limb here but all the discussion appears to revolve round new specifications, new engines and rebuilds etc, but the point that seems to be being missed is the number of cars that are all but ready to race sitting in garages around the country that would not require thousands being spent on them to get them back on track but the drivers appear to have no incentive to race. ideally it would be nice to find out the from them their reasons for not racing and then we might be able to identify some means of getting the Hot Rod races back to something worthwhile for both the drivers and spectators.

Except for the Hot Rods Crimond has had a good field of cars that in many instances is bucking the trend seen elsewhere in the country and it would be nice if we could do the same with the Hot Rods.

The AGM is rapidly approaching and this will be the time to determine if we can breathe new life into the class.
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YSam311 · Joined: 05 Aug 2009 Posts: 3

Folks

As I have tried to demonstrate this season you dont need to spend a fortune to compete in the hot rods.(OK I didnt win but that might be my age more than the car, and Im TOO mean to buy new tyres until the old ones are bald)!!
Bill is correct about 16v red top engines and Im sure quite a few cars in some of the other formulas at Crimond are spending that much or more.

When Gash started this post I think he was hoping, like me, that we could tempt ex drivers and car owners back to the fold or new drivers into the sport.

The more cars that come out , the more racing you might get with other drivers and this might even make it less boring for the spectators and drivers from other formulas, rather than at present when most of you either take a comfort break or go for a burger.

Chic Laing

weejock · Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:12 am Post subject:

some serious ideas as how to implement some good and fair racing for the hot rods that are ready built sitting in garages . not new cars new engines etc .

ideas required serious ones please

paul wightman has the right idea although not quite on the pace with his bike engined hot rod but thats another story. but that probably because i'm in favour of bike engines be involved with autograss racing .
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Dirtyharry · Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Posts: 23

If the drivers can get a rough grouping of there car/engine types then we could do a more effective start.

Crimond now has the transponder loop installed and we can get the video to have a time stamp on it . This means you can work out how far back each car should start so that they all end up racing each other on the last 2 laps.

Just needs a bit of thinking and some flags/markers around the track for a start point of each car/engine type.

Best idea I can come up with / but still think they should all race with similar specs, a standard bike engine transplant could be a cheap solution ??

Mal27 · Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 3

I am not sure of the rules, can you race any engine/ shell combo at the moment?

If not, then why not consider allowing 'anything goes'?

Would certainly create a lot of new interest in hot rods and hopefully tempt current owners of sleeping cars to give it a go once again.

I also think it would cut down on expense.

The chevvy V8 sounds incredible that dirtyharry mentioned, imagine a class where you could have steel pintos, V8s, vauxhalls etc etc all racing, I reckon it would be incredible. Possibly a limit on tyres, keeping everyone at say 6x13s or something would eventually level for everyone the max amount of power you can use. All sounds very exciting to me.

The only thing to police then would be tyres.

GASH333 · Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 3

There is a fine cheap Mini Hot Rod chassis / shell on ebay if anyone fancied the challenge of building it!!!!